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Category:Zwei Ortslinden (Mehlmeisel)
Hi @Billinghurst, you deleted category "Zwei Ortslinden (Mehlmeisel)" with reason C2 ("empty and is obviously unusable, unlikely to be ever meaningfully used"). But it was not empty; it had an image in it, it was a subcategory of natural monuments in its district, and more pictures of that natural monument will be uploaded in upcoming WLE. Why the deletion? Plozessor (talk) 19:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) convenience link Category:Zwei Ortslinden (Mehlmeisel). - Jmabel ! talk 21:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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Comment @Plozessor: it never had any parent categories, so it wasn't a properly formed category in the first place. Can't speak to there possibly having been a file in the category (there's nothing there now), but a "C2" deletion is a deletion "without prejudice" (empty, and the person deleting figures it won't get used), so you should feel free to recreate it (this time with at least one parent category, though). FWIW, the entire content was 'Naturdenkmal 20/01, ND-03664 "Zwei Ortslinden" in Mehlmeisel (nur noch eine Linde)', if you want to be spared thinking that through again. Probably should be inside a {{De}} template, though.- @Billinghurst, I hope you don't mind my having answered here, feel free to do the same on something similar on my user talk page. - Jmabel ! talk 21:55, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel There was one file, @Billinghurst removed that from the category and THEN deleted the (NOW empty) category; I'm quite confident that this NOT what C2 is meant for. I'm also pretty confident that the deleted category had "Category:Natural monuments in Landkreis Bayreuth" as a parent, but I can't access the history to verify. Also this was a meaningful category for an officially protected natural monument, so it's clearly expected to be used in the future. Plozessor (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Plozessor: I assure you that the category had no parent. What I indicated above was its only content. Since you seem to doubt my word, I have undeleted the history so that you can see for yourself. - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel Thanks! I did not really 'doubt your word' but I guessed that someone else must have removed the parent categories before. But from the history it seems that this was not the case, so maybe it was my error when I created the category. Still, the category did IMO not meet the C2 speedy deletion requirements, a) it was not empty (Billinghurst just emptied it before removal) and it not "obviously unusable, unlikely to be ever meaningfully used", it was just missing the correct parent category. Anyone knowing a bit about categorization of German protected areas and natural monuments would have instantly known the correct parent category and added that. Plozessor (talk) 05:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Please, Plozessor, Billinghurst and I have fixed about 6000 parentless categories in the last four or so months; about half have been deletions, the other half have been given appropriate parents. To the best of my knowledge, this is literally the first one where anyone has complained about how either one of us resolved something. That's a pretty low error rate. We would not even have been looking at it if the category had been correctly formed and, as I said above, a C2 deletion is a deletion without prejudice, which in no way prevents restoring the category if it is useful. You formed the category incorrectly; he went (rather harmlessly, it seems to me) the wrong way in trying to fix your error. I'd appreciate being spared a lecture about our ignorance. Can we be done with this? - Jmabel ! talk 06:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- YY, I guessed it was an accidental mistake, all good. Just wanted to know the reasoning, but sure, if you fix thousands of items you can make a mistake. Good that I spotted it because someone else removed the category (as it didn't exist) from a page that I'm monitoring ;) Anyway, thanks @Jmabel and @Billinghurst for your work! Plozessor (talk) 17:26, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Please, Plozessor, Billinghurst and I have fixed about 6000 parentless categories in the last four or so months; about half have been deletions, the other half have been given appropriate parents. To the best of my knowledge, this is literally the first one where anyone has complained about how either one of us resolved something. That's a pretty low error rate. We would not even have been looking at it if the category had been correctly formed and, as I said above, a C2 deletion is a deletion without prejudice, which in no way prevents restoring the category if it is useful. You formed the category incorrectly; he went (rather harmlessly, it seems to me) the wrong way in trying to fix your error. I'd appreciate being spared a lecture about our ignorance. Can we be done with this? - Jmabel ! talk 06:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel Thanks! I did not really 'doubt your word' but I guessed that someone else must have removed the parent categories before. But from the history it seems that this was not the case, so maybe it was my error when I created the category. Still, the category did IMO not meet the C2 speedy deletion requirements, a) it was not empty (Billinghurst just emptied it before removal) and it not "obviously unusable, unlikely to be ever meaningfully used", it was just missing the correct parent category. Anyone knowing a bit about categorization of German protected areas and natural monuments would have instantly known the correct parent category and added that. Plozessor (talk) 05:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Plozessor: I assure you that the category had no parent. What I indicated above was its only content. Since you seem to doubt my word, I have undeleted the history so that you can see for yourself. - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Jmabel There was one file, @Billinghurst removed that from the category and THEN deleted the (NOW empty) category; I'm quite confident that this NOT what C2 is meant for. I'm also pretty confident that the deleted category had "Category:Natural monuments in Landkreis Bayreuth" as a parent, but I can't access the history to verify. Also this was a meaningful category for an officially protected natural monument, so it's clearly expected to be used in the future. Plozessor (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
Deletion nonsense
I'm sure you have better things to do. My own work "Muriel Robin" comprises several photos that I took with Muriel's permission. What's your problem? Francis Hannaway (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Francish7: Please don't make me guess or explore. I have been doing 000s of pieces of maintenance, so please specifically tell me what I am looking at. If I deleted something there will have been criteria added by whomever requested deletion, and it will have been accepted, or added to if I thought extra information was required. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Francish7: I assume you are talking about Commons:Deletion requests/File:Muriel Robin 1.jpg. billinghurst is not really the person who nominated this for deletion. If you look at that page, User:FMSky asked for the image to be speedy-deleted as a duplicate of File:Muriel Robin par Francis Hannaway 2016.jpg. billinghurst rejected that call for speedy-deletion, remarked "Not exact duplicate, though the cropped part contains a copyright statement and the bottom of the image," and then started Commons:Deletion requests/File:Muriel Robin 1.jpg to get consensus, because he was rejecting someone else's call for speedy deletion. In other words, he started a discussion about whether or not to keep the version with the watermark. You can comment on that discussion; here is not the most productive place to comment, because whatever admin decides whether to delete the watermarked version probably won't see this user talk page. And, either way, some version of the photo will certainly be kept. - Jmabel ! talk 22:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Migration of The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language files to English Wikisource
I've noticed that the files The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language (Volume 1).pdf and The Origin and Development of the Bengali Language (Volume 2).pdf were migrated to English Wikisource for copyright violation. While they are obviously in public domain in the United States, they are also in public domain in the source country (India), see {{PD-India}}. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 07:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Chatterji died in 1977 to my understanding, which is 47 years ago, so not certain how they are PD-India. If you think that they can be undeleted here, then please follow the process at Com:UNBLOCK. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I believe you meant COM:UNDELETE. - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yep <sigh> late nights <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 20:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I believe you meant COM:UNDELETE. - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)